锡伯杜加盟森林狼之前学了什么?美JRs:不指望他会改变自己

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What did Tom Thibodeau actually learn during his sabbatical? 

来自森林狼球迷的灵魂拷问:汤姆-锡伯杜在来我狼之前的那段无业阶段到底学到了些啥?


After Thibs was fired from the Bulls, he took one year off in an effort to become a better coach and a better leader. He spent time with the Spurs, the Warriors, the Hornets, hell even Tony La Russa and the Arizona Diamond Backs. This was all meant for him to recharge and refresh and hopefully come back with some new philosophies.

在被公牛队解雇之后,他用了一整年的时间来回炉充电,试图让自己成为一名更好的教练和一名更优秀的领导者。他去了马刺、勇士和黄蜂取经,甚至还去了美国职业棒球大联盟跟Tony La Russa[译注1]和亚利桑那响尾蛇队学习。

[译注1]Tony La Russa,前美国职业棒球大联盟球员。运动生涯结束后出任职棒联盟教练,后出任球队经理,曾四度获得年度最佳经理。


So what did he actually learn?

AB

SO

FUCKING

LUTELY

NOTHING

所以,他到底学到些什么呢?

特么


The fucking Memphis Grizzlies, a team that has lost 23 of their last 24, just came into the Target Center and got their first road win in over 3 months against what looked like the Timber Puppies tonight.

MLGBD灰熊,一支烂到最近24场比赛输了23场的球队,就这么大摇大摆地走进标靶中心,暴揍看上去就像哈士奇的我们,带走了超过三个月以来的头一场客场胜利。


Thibs played 4 of his 5 starters 40+ minutes and a 37 year old Jamal Crawford got close to 30 minutes!!

我们的锡伯杜教练让先发五人里的四人打了超过40分钟,让37岁的贾马尔-克劳福德打了将近30分钟!!


ARE YOU FRICKEN KIDDIN ME?

This literally right after Jeff Teague came out and said guys get tired and hopefully Thibs can have some trust in the young guys.

I'm just fucking livid man. Just inexcusable from the head coach. I'm done with him

你特么是在逗我么?

就在赛后,杰夫-蒂格接受采访的时候说球员们累了,希望锡伯杜能给队里的年轻球员一些信任。

狼区的兄弟们,我要气炸了。主教练对这场失利负有不可推卸的责任。我受够锡伯杜了。






[–]Timberwolvesmarsupialsuperstar_ 916 指標 11小時前 

He is one of the most stubborn people on the planet. I don’t expect him to ever even slightly change the way he coaches, no matter what happens.

森林狼球迷:他就是地球上最顽固的人之一。都现在这个地步了,我也不指望他能改变哪怕一点点自己的执教方式,没救了。


[–]NetsLanaRhoades- 342 指標 11小時前 

he banged Kate Upton he has the right to be stubborn

他上过Kate Upton[译注2],他有权利固执。

[译注2]Kate Upton,美国知名模特,演员,作为2011年《体育画报》的泳装模特而闻名全球。



[–]TombPomb 248 指標 11小時前 

....

What?

……

啥?


[–]NetsLanaRhoades- 387 指標 11小時前 

He engaged in sexual intercourse with big breasted model Kate Upton therefore he is allowed to be stubborn

听不懂?他和模特Kate Upton进行过深度层次的媾和,所以他有权固执。


[–]Celticstaco_whisperer 187 指標 11小時前 

I seen it!

Edit: Holy shit that really happened

呵呵呵对我还见过呢!

编辑:我的天呐,这事儿真发生过?!


[–][MIA] Jason WilliamsParalta 143 指標 10小時前 

People are memeing instead of confirming. I need real answers.

热火球迷:切,有本事都别玩梗,拿出实锤来。


[–]Bullssnowcone_wars 196 指標 10小時前 

In 2014 there were rumors that the two were dating for a few months, and Thibs refused to deny or confirm the rumor. Take that for what you will.

公牛球迷: 2014年,曾有绯闻说他俩约会过几个月,锡伯杜对此即不否认也不承认。拿走不谢,请自行解读。


[–][CLE] LeBron JamesMoney282 468 指標 10小時前 

I also won’t confirm nor deny that I had sex with Kate Upton

我也不否认也不承认我和Kate Upton发生过X关系。


[–]Bullssnowcone_wars 164 指標 9小時前 

The thing is Upton herself also has never denied it.

公牛球迷:事实上她本人也从来没有否认过这个绯闻。


[–]Lakershardy_v1 108 指標 5小時前 

Kate Upton did not deny having sex with me as well

Kate Upton也没否认她曾和我发生过X关系啊!


[–][MIA] Jason WilliamsParalta 120 指標 9小時前 

I refuse to believe she had sex with tom thibodeau of all people.

我拒绝怎么相信,天下好汉这么多,怎么会是锡伯杜?


[–]Warriorsashwinr136 130 指標 9小時前 

How can you resist this?

风华绝代如此,你怎拒绝的了:



[–][MIL] Rafer Alstontsavorite4 49 指標 11小時前 

I never ever knew this before. This man can do whatever the hell he pleases from here on out

我从来不知道还有这回事。这么看来,这个男人完全可以随心所欲,怎么高兴怎么来啊。


[–][GSW] Draymond GreenIsaiah3993 115 指標 10小時前 

I mean there's just no way that's true, right? He's way older, ugly af, and isn't rich enough to pull that kind of tail on money alone.

哎我说,这完全不可能的啊,没错吧?他太老了,丑的一批,而且也没富到用钱就能把到如此高水平妹子的地步。


[–]BucksHarambeDied4Us 100 指標 9小時前 

Maybe she really enjoys ice.

也许她真的很喜欢冰呢。[译注3]

[译注3]锡伯杜著名的防挡拆策略,一遇到对手挡拆就会在场边大喊“ICE!ICE!ICE!”


[–]WarriorsOliver_Stacks 15 指標 7小時前 

It’s from a joke he made to the press

这是个锡伯杜跟媒体开的玩笑罢了。


[–]CelticsHenrietta_Boner 24 指標 2小時前 

There were never even any rumours

凯尔特人球迷:绯闻从来就不存在的好吧:


“I’m not going to comment on rumors that you guys start, then you wait for me to respond,” Thibodeau said to the media.

And then he provided an, um, interesting example to prove his point.

“The rumor about my date with Kate Upton – started by me – I’m not commenting on that, either,” Thibodeau said. “So, let’s move on.”

“我才不会评论回应你们这帮人编出来的故事呢,你们尽可以等,等到算我输。”锡伯杜对媒体说。

然后他举了一个有趣的例子来证明自己的观点——“听说我和Kate Upton约会的流言蜚语吗?嗯我自己放出来的。我也不会对此做出任何评论的。”他说道,“所以,咱还是翻篇吧。”




[–][DAL] Dirk NowitzkiHappy_FunBall 355 指標 11小時前 

The fact that KAT is fourth on the team in FGA/36 minutes is a fireable offense by itself.

卡尔-安东尼-唐斯平均每36分钟的出手次数仅排在球队第四位,光凭这点就够炒锡伯杜鱿鱼了。


[–][POR] Damian LillardCletus_Starfish 112 指標 8小時前 

Yeah, that part is baffling to me. You'd think they'd want their best and most consistent shooter to, I dunno, shoot more.

同意,我对此也很困惑。唐斯的投篮水平是森林狼最优秀也是最稳定的,难道不应该让他多投篮吗?


[–]Bulls Tankwagonazohrri 126 指標 11小時前 

Why has he still not played Patton lmao

公牛球迷:他为啥还不用贾斯廷-巴顿啊?


[–][MIN] Derrick Williamssprandel 180 指標 10小時前 

Can't put a guy on the floor that's never made an NBA basket.

森林狼球迷:你不能把一个从来没在NBA进过球的球员放在场上啊。


[–]Bulls Tankwagonazohrri 26 指標 10小時前 

And he's never made an NBA basket because he's never seen the floor

公牛球迷:他在NBA没进过球是因为他从来没上过场啊。


[–][MIN] Derrick Williamssprandel 168 指標 10小時前 

I thought it was a pretty obvious joke...

森林狼球迷:大兄弟,我这句玩笑还不够明显么……


[–]Bulls Tankwagonazohrri 80 指標 9小時前 

Yeah I'm just dumb.

公牛球迷:哎,我是蠢B啦。


[–]Supersonicsfrmsea2okc 20 指標 7小時前 

Forgot about this guy. Man a lottery pick that's what like 6'11 with a nasty wingspan. Play him Thibs!

差点把这人忘了。他可是秀,大概2.11米的身高,还有着变态的臂展,让他上吧锡伯杜!




[–]BullsGowzilla 147 指標 11小時前 

I hurt every time I see KAT run the court. His legs look so incredibly heavy. It’s honestly sad to watch, these players look so gassed but Thibs just leaves them out on the court. At what point does it become a detriment to players health. Just look what happened to Jimmy Butler and dare I mention that one kid from Chicago who’s career was ended short? I know it’s probably unfair to put that on Thibs but how many players need to get hurt until someone blackballs this guy.

公牛球迷:每次我看到卡尔-安东尼-唐斯在场上折返跑都心如刀割。他看上去就像是双腿灌了铅一样。说实在的,看上去太悲惨了,这些球员已经精疲力竭,但锡伯杜依然把他们留在场上继续战斗。把球员用到什么样的程度能算是对球员健康产生危害?看看吉米-巴特勒吧,还有一位来自芝加哥的孩子,他的职业生涯因为锡伯杜而大幅缩水。我明白,把罗斯陨落的锅完全扔给锡伯杜背可能有失公允。但还要倒下多少名球员,才能唤醒锡伯杜?


[–]Warriorstalanted_o 90 指標 10小時前 

or that guy who literally can not play for the lakers, and the other one in New York. This guys are supposed to be at least good bench players, but can't find the floor.


勇士球迷:或者那个在湖人完全打不上球的,还有一个在纽约的。这些球员本应该还能在板凳席发挥余热,但现在连球都打不了。


[–]Bullsrandomlurker2123 47 指標 9小時前 

Just watch, when Buckets comes back he's gonna play 42min/game, Thibs don't give a fuck.

公牛球迷:大家等着吧,等吉米-巴特勒回来,他依然会每场打42分钟,锡伯杜根本就不在乎。


[–][SAS] LaMarcus AldridgeUltimateZ906 24 指標 5小時前 

Can u imagine the playoffs? He's gonna ride them even harder. He doesn't trust half his team to play in the regular season, I wonder how many minutes he's gonna play the guy he trusts like Jimmy, Kat etc.

马刺球迷:敢想像下季后赛吗?锡伯杜绝对会把他们艹的更厉害。因为他不信任队中一半的球员。我想看看到了季后赛他会让那些他信任的球员每场打多久,比如吉米-巴特勒,卡尔-安东尼-唐斯等。


[–]NBASpencer_Ballen 387 指標 11小時前* 

It's embarrassing how a "defensive minded" coach has no conception of how to run a modern NBA defense.

想想也是尴尬,一个以防守思维著称的教练对如何使用当今NBA的防守战术毫无概念。


Edit: Honestly though, his managing is worse. It’s not making much noise right now, but Gorgui Dieng is becoming the Wolves own Deng.

编辑:而且实话说,他的管理水平更烂。目前这一点还没有被广泛讨论,但戈尔吉-吉昂已经变成了森林狼自己的洛尔-邓。


[–]HornetsNamath96 132 指標 10小時前 

Everyone took the best of his defensive concepts and incorporated them into their defenses. Now he just has his outdated system and is too stubborn to change.

联盟里其他球队都从他的防守理念里汲取精华,然后融会贯通到自己球队的防守当中。而他现在只剩下一个过时的防守体系而且固执到不愿意改变。


[–]76ersforthestreamz 24 指標 11小時前 

he gave out 3 contracts that look like a disaster already in Dieng, Wiggins and Teague. at least Teague comes off the books relatively soon but man, their cap situation looks bleak.

他用三份垃圾合同签下戈尔吉-吉昂、安德鲁-威金斯还有杰夫-蒂格,不过至少相对那两人来说,蒂格的合同到期时间更早一些。但森林狼的薪金情况看上去真的不容乐观。


[–]76ers420Minions 199 指標 10小時前 

We’re really calling the Wiggins deal a disaster? He’s been better on defense and has helped keep them afloat. That’s weak and reactive as fuck.

还真要把威金斯的合同定性为垃圾合同了?他在防守端做得更好而且帮助球队保持竞争力。你的观点也太站不住脚了吧,大惊小怪什么。


[–]76ersforthestreamz 68 指標 10小時前* 

Wiggins' production is nowhere close to a 5 year max. unless he makes an almost unprecedented jump next year that contract is top 10 amongts the worst contracts in the league.

威金斯的表现根本匹配不了他的五年顶薪合同,差太多了。除非他在明年能达成一个近乎前所未有的进步,要不然他的合同就是联盟前十最烂。


he's posting negative VORP and BPM for the 4th straight year. now of course these stats aren't end all be all or perfect representatives, but if you're negative in them for 4 goddamn years, you're probably doing it very wrong.

他已经连续四年在替换球员差值和统计表正负值[译注4]上得负分了,当然这些数据也不能最好地代表一个球员的表现,但如果你连续四年得负分,那可能你确实表现得不咋地。

[译注4]VORP,Value Over Replacement Player,替换球员差值,用于衡量一个球员在攻防两端超出联盟平均替补球员的表现,VORP=0代表联盟平均水平的替补;BPM,Box Plus/Minus,统计表正负值,用来评估一个球员的水平和对球队的贡献,BPM=0代表联盟平均水平的球员,+5表示该球员在每百回合能帮助球队多赢5分,BPM=-2是替补球员的水平。


and I don't want to hear the "KAT and Wiggins improved on defense they're not bad anymore" thing. Wolves are 27th in DRTG in the whole league. they almost exclusively play their starters. we know that Butler, Gibson, Teague and Dieng are good defenders, we have a lot of data and film on them being good defenders.

而且我不想听到什么“唐斯和威金斯提高了防守所以他们不再糟糕”的言论了。森林狼的防守率排在联盟第27位,他们几乎只让首发球员打球,我们知道吉米-巴特勒、泰-吉布森、杰夫-蒂格还有戈尔吉-吉昂是优秀的防守者,这都是有数据和比赛录像支撑的。


so how come Wolves are this bad on defense if KAT and Wiggins aren't bad defenders either? is it just Thibs/scheme? I think scheme is usually much more important than individual performance in defense but not to the point that a team full of good to average defenders are ranked 27th. come on now people, at which point they're going to be held accountable?

那么为什么即便唐斯和威金斯不是坏的防守者,森林狼的防守还是如此糟糕?仅仅是因为锡伯杜或者防守策略有问题?我认为在一般情况下,防守策略要比球员个人的防守表现来得重要,但这并不能解释一支拥有从好的防守者到平均防守水平球员的队伍,在防守率上仅排在联盟第27。醒醒吧同志们,到底要怎样你们才能承认这些球员也负有责任?


[–]76ers420Minions 50 指標 10小時前 

Yea I know his metrics stink. It’s been beaten into the ground. Defenses respect him and he makes plays. His potential is obvious and it’s not like he can’t score. There’s more than the stat sheet. And the Wolves are in the playoffs in the West for the first time since KG. I think a significant portion of the hate is unfair to the team on Reddit. The way people talk you’d think they had been a top tier team that fell to an 8 instead of a team that lost a star still making it in.

我明白他的数据很烂,这已经被讨论烂了。但防守他的球员尊重他,对他认真防守,他也能打进球。他的天赋太显而易见了,也不是说威金斯得不了分啊。有很多事情是数据统体现不出来的,而且他们自加内特时代之后第一次打进季后赛。我认为这个论坛对这支队伍持有很大一部分的恨意是不公平的,大家搞得好像森林狼以前是一支顶级的球队然后突然掉到第八了一样,而不是他们在失去一位全明星球员之后仍然努力打进了季后赛。



[–]Timberwolvesneelr7 119 指標 11小時前 

It’s ridiculous at this point.

森林狼球迷:都到现在了,锡伯杜的顽固有点太扯淡了。


[–][SAS] Tim Duncanrattatatouille 37 指標 8小時前 

It blows my mind that this guy is less flexible than a 69 year old coach who has spent two decades coaching the same team.

马刺球迷:而且这简直让我太震惊了,你狼的主教练竟然比一个已经69岁高龄、在同一支球队执教超过20年的老教头还固执。


[–][BOS] Eddie Houseraider_10 35 指標 4小時前 

69, coaching the same team for two decades and STILL fully willing to admit that he was using one of his players incorrectly and it caused a little tension. Now look at him. Spurs may not be as good as years past just based on talent and no Kawhi, but LMA is playing much better.

凯尔特人球迷:在同一支球队执教20载的69岁老教头仍然非常愿意承认自己曾错误使用了某位球员,愿意承认是自己的原因导致该球员与球队出现摩擦。现在再看看他,马刺可能不像过去几年那样强大了。但这只是因为球队缺乏天赋+科怀-伦纳德一直伤停,但起码拉马库斯-阿尔德里奇打得更好了。


[–]Abide9 10 指標 8小時前 

If pop coached the wolves, jamal would be the towel boy.

如果由波波维奇执教森林狼的话,贾马尔-克劳福德会去乖乖地递毛巾的。


[–]YouKnowSergio 90 指標 11小時前 

I’ve watched all but a handful of Wolves games this year, and the regression is insane. I’m also with you how Thibs isn’t the right fit, but what about Towns and Wiggins totally blowing potential clutch moments? Jamal getting torched on D and lobbing up garbage shots? Do we even have a bench? Idk. They are just such a disappointment as a team. Early in the year I thought we were the third best in the West, and now don’t deserve to be in the playoffs. Tonight was a joke.

森林狼球迷:这赛季我虽然看我狼的比赛不多但也有一些了,我发现我狼确实退化得厉害。我支持你的观点,锡伯杜并不适合我们。但唐斯和威金斯浪费使自己成长的潜在关键时刻是怎么回事?贾马尔-克劳福德在防守端被生吞活剥,进攻端又XJB扔是怎么回事?我们到底有没有替补?我一脸懵逼,森林狼就是个令人失望的团队。赛季初我还认为我们是西部前三的球队,如今我认为我们的糟烂表现根本就不值得进季后赛。今晚输给灰熊简直就是个笑话。


[–]fartsAndEggs 69 指標 10小時前 

Perhaps those players play too many minutes and get tired compared with a better rested opponent, on average? I don't know I have watched 0 wolves games except one I saw in person.

也许是球员们打了太久,身心俱疲,而恰好对手之前得到了更好的休息?我不清楚真实情况,因为这赛季除了一次现场,我还没看过你狼的球,


[–]TimberwolvesJewfroDOC 158 指標 11小時前 

please fire this man our team sucks

森林狼球迷:解雇他吧,我们队烂透了。


[–][MIL] Rafer Alstontsavorite4 78 指標 11小時前 

Please wait until after next season so Milwaukee doesn't hire him and he runs Giannis into the ground

雄鹿球迷:请等到下个赛季再炒,这样我鹿就不会雇他来死艹字母哥了。


[–][OKC] Andre Robersonthrow3away3791 92 指標 11小時前 

At least he doesn’t play 34 year old Carmelo Anthony in a game deciding defensive possession when you’re up 1 in OT.

雷霆球迷:至少他不会让34岁的卡梅罗-安东尼在加时赛仅领先对手1分的关键时刻上场防守吧。


[–]SpursBEE_REAL_ 245 指標 11小時前 

Dude he plays Jamal Crawford on defense in crunch time

马刺球迷:呵呵,这老哥让贾马尔-克劳福德在关键时刻上去防守。


[–]VenerableHate 63 指標 11小時前 

Timberwolves need to fire Thibs this summer. This team is underachieving big time and were able to just coast on having elite talents. Now that Jimmy is gone they can't even coast properly.

森林狼需要在今年夏天解雇锡伯杜了。这支球队成不了大气候,只能靠精英球员来赢球。现在吉米-巴特勒伤了,他们也没有仰仗的人物了。


[–]Warriorstalanted_o 12 指標 10小時前 

who's going to fire him? Thibs? this is why you never give you coach an executive position cause owners don't know shit on how to run the team, so they trust the executive.

勇士球迷:可谁来解雇他啊?他自己吗?这就是为什么你永远都不要给你的主教练一个高管职位。球队大老板根本不懂运作球队,所以他们只能相信球队的高管。


[–]RaptorsThaNorth 23 指標 9小時前 

The owner? The GM? Anyone who's above him, lol.

猛龙球迷:球队老板?总经理?只要比他职位高就行,哈哈哈。


[–]Warriorstalanted_o 12 指標 9小時前 

Thibs is the president of basketball operations, the only one above him is the owner. He could fire the GM, and reinstate himself as the coach

勇士球迷:锡伯杜就是森林狼的篮球运营总裁,整个球队唯一比他职位高的只有球队老板。他可以解雇总经理,然后再恢复自己的教职。



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